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Questions from a first-time user

Postby newsense2 » 12 Jun 2008 18:04

I'm new to ecto (and Mac for that matter), and I thought that I would post some of my thoughts on the application. Some of these things might be bugs (I'm using 3.0b47)... I'm not sure.

  • I noticed that if I have an image on my clipboard, and then try to rearrange an existing image in ecto that it will paste in the image that I have on my clipboard. This is kinda annoying since I sometimes copy an image from the web into Skitch to make some changes, then drag the image from Skitch into ecto. Then when I try to move it around it just places a copy of the original image on my clipboard. The only workaround for this that I know of is to copy some text, and then move the image where I want it.
  • If I try to code a table in the HTML view the editor will spit back all kinds of warnings. If I choose the "fix automatically" option it will normally insert all kinds of <br> before the table. I think when switching back to the rich-text mode there should be three options if there are errors in the code: fix automatically, fix manually, and ignore. Or maybe better support for tables would work. The update you released today fixes some of the issues I had with the <br> getting automatically inserted, but not with the tables.
  • Inserting drop-down menus doesn't quite work as expected. An example is if I enter in this into the HTML view:
    <select>
    <option>Milk</option>
    <option>Coffee</option>
    <option>Tea</option>
    </select>
    If I switch back to the rich-text mode the drop-down menu will appear just fine, but if I switch back to the HTML view (again) the code is completely gone.
  • It would be nice if ecto supported copying and pasting of rich-text in Firefox like it does for Safari.
  • Being able to highlight a body of text to generate a bulleted list would be cool. Maybe a good solution for that would be to let users highlight a body of text, click the bulleted/numbered list button, and use breaks or paragraph markers as delimiters for items in the list? On a similar note, why is there always a blank line inserted after a bulleted/numbered list when they are created?
  • Being able to set the autosave time down to 1 minute is pretty important to me since so much can change in 5 minutes. I manually did this using the PrefEdit application, but I think you should be able to select 1 minute as an option. If you're worried about performance then maybe you should just display a popup message letting the user know it could degrade performance, but I definitely haven't found that to be the case.
  • A resizable custom tags window would be incredibly helpful! I have over a dozen custom tags, and sometimes the small content area (that doesn't even have scrollbars) makes it difficult to edit some of my post templates. They probably aren't meant to hold entire post templates, but I do use them for that purpose. :D
  • If I drag and drop an image into ecto the application should retain the native format for the image. By that I mean if the image I'm adding to ecto is a PNG, then ecto should probably keep that format. Maybe it's just me, but that's kinda how I expected it to work.
  • There are some problems when working with lists as well. One of the most annoying things for me is when I do a soft break (Ctrl+Enter) at the end of a list, and then press Enter to create a new bullet it will start a new bullet prior to the current one, instead of moving that item down to a new bullet. For example if a list looks like this:
    1) alah
    2) blah
    3) clah
    [blank line created by Ctrl+Enter, press Enter again here and it will create a new bullet ABOVE number 3 instead of moving it down to number 4]

    Hope that makes sense?

I'm not sure if you'll be able to fix any of these things, but they would make the software a little nicer. Again, I just got my first Mac about a week ago, and I installed a trial of ecto right away. Looks like I'll be buying it in the end because there's nothing else that even comes close to it in terms of features. Thanks for developing such a truly wondering app... and I love the custom tags feature!

I can reproduce everything that I mentioned, so if you need more info on any of them just ask. Thanks for making such a great product!
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Re: Questions from a first-time user

Postby adriaan » 26 Jun 2008 04:39

Sorry for the late reply. I'll be looking at your issues soon.

Btw, you want shift-enter, not control-enter for a break instead of a new list item.
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Re: Questions from a first-time user

Postby adriaan » 26 Jun 2008 15:02

newsense2 wrote:[*]I noticed that if I have an image on my clipboard, and then try to rearrange an existing image in ecto that it will paste in the image that I have on my clipboard. This is kinda annoying since I sometimes copy an image from the web into Skitch to make some changes, then drag the image from Skitch into ecto. Then when I try to move it around it just places a copy of the original image on my clipboard. The only workaround for this that I know of is to copy some text, and then move the image where I want it.[/*]


I can replicate it, but it's a bug inside WebKit. Oddly, the only part of dragging I let WebKit handle itself. I'll wait and see if Safari 4 with the upgraded WebKit still displays this bug. (I don't have Safari 4, so I have to wait).

[*]If I try to code a table in the HTML view the editor will spit back all kinds of warnings. If I choose the "fix automatically" option it will normally insert all kinds of <br> before the table. I think when switching back to the rich-text mode there should be three options if there are errors in the code: fix automatically, fix manually, and ignore. Or maybe better support for tables would work. The update you released today fixes some of the issues I had with the <br> getting automatically inserted, but not with the tables.[/*]


Can you give me a sample table that does this?

[*]Inserting drop-down menus doesn't quite work as expected. [/*]


This one's fixed for next version.

[*]It would be nice if ecto supported copying and pasting of rich-text in Firefox like it does for Safari.[/*]


TextEdit.app and Mail.app don't do it either. Could be a FireFox issue.

[*]Being able to set the autosave time down to 1 minute is pretty important to me since so much can change in 5 minutes. [/*]


Fair enough.

[quote][*]If I drag and drop an image into ecto the application should retain the native format for the image. By that I mean if the image I'm adding to ecto is a PNG, then ecto should probably keep that format. Maybe it's just me, but that's kinda how I expected it to work.[/*][quote]

It should retain the native format. I just verified it. I did notice the format popup menu sometimes doesn't reflect the correct value. Checking it.
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Re: Questions from a first-time user

Postby newsense2 » 03 Jul 2008 23:53

adriaan wrote:Btw, you want shift-enter, not control-enter for a break instead of a new list item.

I assume this is regarding the last question I had. The problem occurs whether I'm using Ctrl+Enter or Shift+Enter. If I ever need to insert multiple blank lines in a bulleted list it's just a little difficult to do because of this little bug.

Plus there are extra paragraphs/breaks that get inserted when you start a new bulleted list. I'm not quite sure why? The same thing happens when I select a body of text to quote... it inserts some blank lines before and/or after.

adriaan wrote:
[*]If I try to code a table in the HTML view the editor will spit back all kinds of warnings. If I choose the "fix automatically" option it will normally insert all kinds of <br> before the table. I think when switching back to the rich-text mode there should be three options if there are errors in the code: fix automatically, fix manually, and ignore. Or maybe better support for tables would work. The update you released today fixes some of the issues I had with the <br> getting automatically inserted, but not with the tables.[/*]


Can you give me a sample table that does this?

This one should work:
<table>
<tr><td>a</td><td>a</td><td>a</td><td>a</td></tr>
<tr><td>a</td><td>a</td><td>a</td><td>a</td></tr>
<tr><td>a</td><td>a</td><td>a</td><td>a</td></tr>
<tr><td>a</td><td>a</td><td>a</td><td>a</td></tr>
</table>

It's just a few columns and rows with the letter "a" in it. Enter that in HTML view, switch back to the rich text editor (automatically fixing the one error that it says it has), then go back to HTML view, and switch back to the rich text editor one more time. You should then be prompted with dozens of "errors", and fixing them automatically causes several breaks to be inserted before the table. If you keep switching between the two views the number of breaks will continue to grow.

From what I gather Ecto doesn't like the whitespace that appears between some elements in the table. That's why there's only one minor error the first time you enter in the code above, but then when Ecto formats the table code it breaks it up onto several different lines thus creating whitespace. That's when the errors start to occur.

Thanks a ton for responding. I'm sure you're busy since this is only a part-time thing for you.
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Re: Questions from a first-time user

Postby adriaan » 04 Jul 2008 00:57

Hm, I'm not seeing the errors when switching between html and rich using your sample table (using the latest ecto that removes the summary warning and which is online). I edited text in rich mode, switch back and forth many times. Are you using the latest Safari on your OSX? Are you on 10.4 or 10.5?
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Re: Questions from a first-time user

Postby newsense2 » 04 Jul 2008 02:39

Maybe you changed something in the version that you have that fixes the issue? I just tested it again, and can definitely confirm that I get the errors on that example. Here are two screenshots that will hopefully help:

In this one I pasted the table in the example above, switched to rich text view, and then switched back. This is what I saw:
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If I try to switch back I get a ton of errors, and fixing them automatically doesn't really do anything except enter in a few "<br />" before the table. I have noticed that the number breaks that gets inserted is equal to 2 times the number of rows plus 1. So if there are 6 rows there will be 13 breaks that get inserted.
Image

If you want me to test out the new build to see if it corrects the issue just let me know.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm running 10.5.4
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Re: Questions from a first-time user

Postby adriaan » 06 Jul 2008 01:50

b49 with fix for the paragraphs in table issue is online.
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Re: Questions from a first-time user

Postby jayelaheram » 30 Jul 2008 19:36

Hi. I have recently purchased a copy of Ecto and been trying to editing my posts with it. I figured out a workaround with the TABLE elements (I just had to delete every space between the tags), but it keeps adding <BR /> at the end of my post. I want this behavior to cease. Is there a way to stop it from trying to "fix" my posts?
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Re: Questions from a first-time user

Postby adriaan » 31 Jul 2008 00:34

Please give more info. When do the breaks get inserted? When switching from Rich text? After posting? what blog system? latest version of ecto?
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Re: Questions from a first-time user

Postby jayelaheram » 01 Aug 2008 05:30

I figured it out.

If you are using Blogger, you must have "Convert Line Breaks" under "Settings > Formatting" set to "No" or Ecto will keep adding... well, <BR /> tags when you switch from HTML and Rich Text editor. Ecto was not the problem, it seemed. It was merely doing what Blogger is instructing it to do, ie, converting line breaks.

Ecto preformats TABLES tags into neat and orderly code (as it should) that required, well, line breaks. Then the Blogger settings kicks in and adds BR tags?

I have searched the forums, but I do not think anyone has figured out that it was merely the default Blogger settings that was causing the behavior in Ecto.

I hope this helps everyone who is using Blogger.
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